Do you want to know something else? José Alfaro (age twenty-four) was on his life's first visit to a vertical cave! And even then, after some hot soup got into his stomach, and having his "hot mamma" right on him with a really hot embrace, he was the one to say, "Hey you, amigos, what about going down tomorrow, very early, into Carma Cave, To see what can be saved?"

That's what I call true caving spirit!